Episode #5: Top 3 Nonclinical Job Sectors with Dr. John Jurica


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Learn about the top 3 nonclinical job sectors for physicians. I’m interviewing Dr. John Jurica, host of the Physicians Nonclinical Career Podcast, about the most common transition sectors: Pharma, Utilization Management, and Medical Writing. Find out why these are great entry areas for nonclinical jobs right out of medicine.

In this episode we’re talking about:

  • The most common nonclinical areas for physicians transitioning out of medicine.
    • Pharma – Drug Safety, Medical Monitor, Medical Affairs, Medical Science Liaison (MSL)
    • Utilization Management – Health Insurance, Benefit Management, Physician Advisor
    • Medical Writing/Medical Communications
  • What the requirements are for licensure, board-certification, and residency.
  • Compensation for these nonclinical areas.

Links for this episode:

John Jurica’s Nonclinical Career Academy 
Special $1 deal for a one-month trial – use discount code “TRIAL”

Beyond the Ward: A Doctor’s Guide to Careers Outside the NHS by Dr. Paul Hercock

Physician Nonclinical Career Podcast with Dr. John Jurica

You might also be interested in these Doctor’s Crossing Blogs

Medical Monitor
Advice for Entering Pharma

Utilization Management
Working For Health Insurance – Is This The Dark Side?
Utilization Review Work Part-time and Full-time
Utilization Review Work – Side Gig
Physician Advisor

Medical Writing
Medical Writing: How to Get Started and Make Money
Dr. Gigi Reveals Her True Identity and New Career
Transition Story – Medical Editing and Publishing
Dr. Mandy’s Story – From Sports Medicine to Medical Writer

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  1. Dr. Jerry Wehr on November 11, 2020 at 4:21 pm

    For us physicians beginning the search for a nonclinical job, your podcast with Dr. Jurica was an inspiring step to reveal the many career possibilities. Thanks, Heather.

    • Heather Fork on November 11, 2020 at 6:12 pm

      Dr. Jerry Wehr! How lovely to have as such a loyal listener and commenter. I am truly honored. I am also so grateful to have Dr. John Jurica on the podcast with his broad and deep knowledge of nonclinical career options! Thank you, Jerry, for giving this episode and the others a much-appreciated shout-out!

  2. Dr. Jenny Goss on November 17, 2020 at 12:31 am

    Thank you so much for cultivating great topics for your podcasts and blogs; Cape Diem has become my mantra! Dr. John Jurica’s podcasts are also amazing; heading over to start my one-month trial on the Nonclinical Career Academy!

    • Heather Fork on November 17, 2020 at 1:08 am

      Dr. Jenny Goss! You are awesome. Thank you for always bringing your enthusiastic energy and super kind comments. I’m so glad you are enjoying the podcast and blogs. I’m sure you will find Dr. Jurica’s Academy full of great content and resources. All the best with your career trajectory! Rock on!

  3. Lucy on March 9, 2021 at 4:17 am

    Thank you so much for an amazing cash course!🙏

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I was able to find a surgery job that better aligned with my goals and professional interests.  Additionally, Heather helped me start a consulting business which has allowed me to pursue a true passion: helping medical students, residents, and attendings surgeons navigate the challenges of high-stakes standardized exams.    

If you are reading this as a “Type A” surgeon who doesn’t think coaching is for you, I would encourage you to give Heather a shot.  I’m very glad I did!

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