Episode #13: A Surgeon Decides It’s Time to Leave Medicine

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There is no denying being a surgeon is stressful. Long days in the OR, operating in the middle of the night, complications, too much time doing administrative duties… It’s no wonder surgeons are looking for nonclinical options. Dr. Tracy Pitt, a bariatric surgeon, shares his story of leaving medicine for a job in drug safety with a Contract Research Organization. Find out how he did it and why he’s not looking back.

In this episode we’re talking about:

  • The stresses of being a surgeon
  • The steps Dr. Tracy Pitt took to change careers
  • His role as a drug safety medical director
  • What a CRO or contract research organization is
  • Compensation for physicians in pharma/CROs

Links for this episode:

www.doctorscrossing.com/pharma – Your Insider’s Guide to Pharma. Get an overview of the different areas for physicians in pharma as well as tips to start building your platform to make a transition.


The Carpe Diem Resume Kit – Everything you need to convert your CV to a resume, including templates and a bonus section on cover letters. Crafting a resume for a specific nonclinical job is key for increasing your chances of getting that coveted interview.

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  1. Andrea Eisenberg on January 21, 2021 at 3:55 pm

    Thank you for featuring someone in a surgical specialty. I completely understand that dread of being on call, dread of the pager going off any time day or night, the constant pressure of “being on.” As an ob/gyn, that is my life as well. I also appreciated the honesty about what he missed and didn’t miss about practicing medicine. I wondered if he missed patient interaction and colleague interaction.

    • Heather Fork on January 21, 2021 at 4:14 pm

      Good morning Andrea! Yes, you are so welcome. I wanted to feature the perspective of a surgeon as those pressures are significant and add a whole other layer to the stresses of being a physician. My appreciation and gratitude go out to Tracy for candidly sharing his experience. The telling of the truth helps to normalize what is true for many physicians/surgeons but isn’t often spoken about. A lot of the Ob/Gyns I speak with talk about the feelings you describe. I remember really enjoying my OB/Gyn rotation in medical school, it was very dynamic and exciting in different ways, but when I thought about actually being the one in charge and the responsibility of an attending, it seemed pretty scary to me! Thank you for your post!

    • Tracy Pitt on January 23, 2021 at 4:58 pm

      Hello Andrea, Thank you for your comments and question. I do miss interacting with patients, however as I increasingly became stressed and frustrated I was becoming disinterested in the physician-patient interaction. Regarding colleague interactions, I have a new set of colleagues who are wonderful, and I am building new relationships every day. Regarding my close personal surgical colleague relationships, they are very supportive. Lastly, if you’re considering a change, you’re looking at the right site. Best regards. Tracy

  2. Dr. Jerry Wehr on January 21, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    I have listened to all of your podcasts, Dr. Fork, and each one is relevant and pertinent to us physicians wanting to make a change to nonclinical medicine.
    Thanks Dr. Pitt for your candid story of courage to make a change. Indeed, happiness is certainly priceless. Thanks again both of you for your wisdom.

    • Heather Fork on January 22, 2021 at 1:03 am

      Why thank you, Dr. Jerry Wehr! I have read and appreciate all of your wonderful comments here! You are true blue! I try to bring content on the podcasts that will be pertinent to my beloved listeners and feel very blessed to have such wonderful clients and guests bringing you their experience and wisdom. When the time is right Jerry, we will have you on! Please let me know of future episodes you’d like to hear!

    • Tracy Pitt on January 23, 2021 at 5:01 pm

      Hello Jerry,

      Your comments are appreciated, Hope my story can help you. Best Regards, Tracy.

  3. Jennifer Goss on January 21, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    I listened to Tracy speak about the 6 pm surgical emergency heading to the ER and felt that familiar dread; so glad you’ve found happiness and satisfaction outside of clinical practice! It makes you think that happiness actually does have a price — a little less money and a jump in happiness from a two to a seven. Tracy, thank you so much for sharing, and Heather, thank you so much for being our fearless leader!

    • Heather Fork on January 22, 2021 at 12:53 am

      Thank you, Jennifer, I like how you highlight this important point – happiness – or the lack thereof, does have a high cost. I’ve from others of you off-line as well who are in or have been in, surgical specialties and that dread about what’s coming in the door is very common. Emergencies may look like enticing drama on Grey’s Anatomy or ER, am some physicians may thrive off of them, but after a while the stress can take its toll in a very human way. Thank you for your most supportive comments, I’m happy to help and grateful for having Tracy as my fearless guest.

    • Tracy Pitt on January 23, 2021 at 5:09 pm

      Hello Jennifer, I appreciate your response. Overall happiness is valuable and worthwhile to obtain. Best Regards, Tracy

  4. Suchada Chaiwechakarn on January 23, 2021 at 8:25 am

    I am an ObGyn but I don’t have research experience whatsoever. Breaking into pharma seems impossible. What are your suggestions?

    • Heather Fork on January 23, 2021 at 3:41 pm

      Drug safety is an area I have seen a number of physicians break into without prior pharma experience. Some of the things you can consider doing are: take a few online pharma courses, see if there is a clinical trial in your area you could potentially help out with, offer to refer appropriate patients, write several articles on pharma related topics and post them on your LinkedIn profile to show your interest, connect with Medical Science Liaisons in your specialty area, if you are not already on a committee or doing some teaching and presenting, even informally, this looks good on your resume and is valuable experience. Start networking with other physicians who are in pharma, as well as pharma recruiters to develop connections and gather advice. It is possible! There are other roles like the Medical Science Liaison (MSL), medical affairs, and medical communications that physicians transition into w/o significant experience, it all depends on your natural skills, background, connections, right place, right time, etc. Good luck!

    • Tracy Pitt on January 23, 2021 at 5:21 pm

      Hello Suchada, thank you for the question. Heather’s response is excellent, and I would defer to her for personal assistance. But to add support, it’s NOT impossible (maybe challenging, but wasn’t med school and residency challenging?). As I alluded to in the podcast, inexperience may be somewhat beneficial at times; the company is able to train you without preconceived bias. You have nothing to lose if you send a resume for an opportunity. Best regards, Tracy

  5. Anne Dall on January 23, 2021 at 1:52 pm

    I enjoyed listening to another transition story. It is especially to hear again that even though positions often state that experience is required, that is not written in stone. As Dr. Pitt stated, everyone has to start somewhere. The idea of embarking on a new path with a learning curve sounds exciting. We in medicine are good at learning. That I think can be a big positive to balance the uncertainty of leaving clinical medicine behind.

    • Heather Fork on January 23, 2021 at 3:35 pm

      You make a great point Dr. Anne Dall, about how important it is for physicians to be able to keep learning and growing. Mental stagnation and the feeling that you’re not feeding your mind with new things can be a common experience after being in practice for a number of years. Those exponential learning years of training are over and it’s easy to miss the mental stimulation and growth. Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments!

    • Tracy Pitt on January 23, 2021 at 5:38 pm

      Hello Anne, Thank you for your response, and I agree completely. Although challenging at times, I have been excited about learning new topics (i.e. gene therapy). During my career, I did not feel like I was growing academically, just the same day to day routine. Now I am learning about topics that are interesting, but outside the norm for a surgeon. Best regards, Tracy.

  6. Modupe Oladeinde on January 25, 2021 at 5:43 pm

    Another great and very relevant podcast, thanks Heather!
    Thank you Dr Pitt for sharing your journey into Pharma. Although I transitioned to UM from Family Medicine, I could absolutely identify with you when you spoke about moving on before you “snap”!
    Enjoy your new career and freedom, wishing you even more success in the future.
    God bless!

    • Heather Fork on January 25, 2021 at 6:01 pm

      Thank you Dr. Mo for your very kind and supportive comments for Dr. Pitt! I think there are many of us who’ve had those moments where we felt we were going to snap. We develop high thresholds for dealing with difficult situations and that threshold can get dangerously high before it registers with us what is actually happening. I’m glad you have found a new happy career “home” yourself!

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